Re: cvs commit: src/sys/sys errno.h

["Simon 'corecode' Schubert" <corecode@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 03.07.2005, at 19:52, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote:
> >     Maybe in some future packaging/ports system where we can trivially
> >     edit vendor supplied sources we can put it back.  But that time is
> >     not now.  As I said, we can't afford to spend man months messing 
> > around
> >     with it, we have to move on.
> It needs less than one man week to fix everything in ports/pkgsrc, not
> included the build time. So we have now reached the stage where 
> correctness
> is less important than compatibility with broken programs?

FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE: WE ARE STILL CORRECT!

> I'm tired of this discussion. I won't comment the next time we have to 
> change
> something to conform to a standard which breaks existing software, I 
> also won't
> comment when we can't change something because existing software 
> depends on
> broken implementations.

Please continue to point out mistakes and possible solutions. This is 
needed and wanted. But it's about our code; this time our code didn't 
becode less standards conformant. We just became more liberal.

> But keep in mind that software doesn't change when
> noone steps up to point out the problems and fix them.

True. But why do our users and developers need to do this? We're a 
small group, so labour is precious.

> When it's easier to
> add bandaids, which have to stay forever, than to fix the underlaying 
> problem,
> something is wrong. When it is to complain, instead of investing the 
> same time
> to fix a problem, something is wrong. We choose to change our uname 
> and to
> stop pretending to be FreeBSD for a reason and that created problems. 
> The situation
> is not different at all from what we have know. Is the next step to 
> revert that
> too?

We still pretend that we're FreeBSD in dfports, if I'm not mistaken. 
And I don't consider it as a bandaid, as ISO C99 explicitly mentions 
this as a possible implementation (which happens to reduce breakage 
with 3rd party programs).

cheers
  simon

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