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Re: Description of the Journaling topology

From: Matthew Dillon <dillon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:26:54 -0800 (PST)

:That's only true if the journal is written to persistent storage on the 
:receiving end. How will you guarantee that the journal will be in synch 
:with the actual file system--will operations slow down until the journal 
:can be sent/acknowledged or will you allow large windows of buffered 
:data to accumulate before the receiving end acknowledges them (in which 
:case the journal won't be very useful for crash recovery or coherency)?
:Isn't what you want a distributed file system? If not, why not?

    I'm not sure what you are asking here.  There is always a buffering
    delay imposed somewhere.  Always.  You can't eliminate it.  The only
    effect this delay has on the application is whether the application
    requires acknowledgement of a commit to hard storage before proceeding
    or whether it only requires a serialization guarentee during crash

    Most applications really only care about this:  They do operation A 
    and then do operation B, and if a crash occurs B is only restored if 
    A can also be restored.

    Even database applications would prefer to allow commits to be pipelined
    all the way until they intend to export the results outside of the
    transactional environment.  At that point and *ONLY* at that point
    such applications would want to wait until the data is fully committed
    such that crash recovery guarentees restoration.  This doesn't mean
    that you can't have buffering, only that what buffering you do have
    will impose certain latencies at that point in time.  

    The buffering only effects those latencies and only at certain points.
    Latency cannot be avoided, and the amount of buffering is not necessarily
    responsible for latency.  e.g. if you are running over a fast network
    the buffering latency could still be in the < 1ms range.

    Arguably filesystems are not transactional in nature, at least not
    normally.  But they don't really have to be ... a journal can still
    guarentee serialization of events during crash recovery no matter
    how much buffering is used.

					Matthew Dillon 

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