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Re: errno breakage fix


From: "Simon 'corecode' Schubert" <corecode@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 02:12:41 +0200

Lately Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai <asmodai@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> said:
> >    Well, I guess we may have no choice.  As hacks go, it isn't too shabby.
> >    I say we go with it.
> I am against it.
> 
> This is a workaround which doesn't solve the issue upstream.

No, of course not. It solves the issue for *us*.

> I'd rather have more people actively push stuff upstream.

Ok, be my guest. Once all software out there has been fixed by you, you
can remove this hack. I'd rather have the (still few) people work on
DragonFly itself and not on some third party software. If you like to
spend your time on submitting patches upstream, yay!

> I cannot understand how at one point we're all about 'lets do this the right
> way' and then we introduce hacks like this.

We had this hack before, just even more ugly. *All* major opensource
operating systems I checked (Linux, FreeBSD-4, FreeBSD-5/6, NetBSD,
OpenBSD, OpenSolaris) do it about this way (well in fact exactly the
way we did before).

This shows that we are ALONE against ALL THE STUPID APPLICATION
PROGRAMMERS OUT THERE. Welcome to sisyphus country. Heya Don Quichote!
It just doesn't work to enforce standards compliance for third-party
products when you are such a fucking small group of people.

If you can propose a plan to get our source right and at the same time
get third-party software compiled and/or correctly fixed, tell us.

cheers
  simon

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